Comments on: PROOF POINTS: Many high school math teachers cobble together their own instructional materials from the internet and elsewhere, a survey finds https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/ Covering Innovation & Inequality in Education Fri, 10 May 2024 15:07:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ted Alper https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67864 Thu, 02 May 2024 17:56:37 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67864 I think the problem is that premade lesson plans and worksheets that come with a textbook are too often formulaic, shovel-ready assignments intended to be mindlessly distributed to students by overworked teachers who may not themselves deeply understand the content they’re teaching.
In contrast, a teacher who “cobbles together” his or her own materials is more likely to engage with the subject. It’s misleading to call that “time not spent on teaching” — it’s time spent thinking productively about teaching.
To be sure, I do think *some* of the points made in the article are valid; materials written by the designers of the curriculum may align with the notation and sequence of development given in their textbook more naturally — though that can be a mixed blessing, giving students a narrow “you have to do it this way” mindset.

Maybe my day job running a math circle — with really knowledgable and creative instructors carving their own idiosyncratic curricula of math enrichment — has left me blinkered to the realities at most schools, but I’d much rather give teachers as much autonomy with their own students as possible.

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By: Aimee Grieb https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67773 Wed, 01 May 2024 00:41:15 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67773 I could not disagree more with the conclusion of the article which is essentially saying, “Those math teachers aren’t listening to what we in academia tell them what to do.”

What gives these “researchers” reason to believe they know better what we should do in the classroom when they are not living the day to day enounter with students who often need reinforcement of preliminary concepts, who need not just instruction but motivation, who enter the classroom with preformed beliefs about what they are capable of that needs to be considered (and ideally changed for the better) is simply their lack of knowledge of what real life teaching is.

Not only are the researchers lacking in real life knowledge of teaching, they have the arrogance to think that getting a PhD gives them the right to tell others what to do. If critical thinking skills are important to the development of a student then use critical thinking skills must be the right of any teacher. Obedience to others who presume a superior status and thinking what is best for my students are anathema to each other.

Amen to the teacher who develops her/his own materials. When I was teaching I calculated that I easily put in more time reading through homework assignments and preparing the next lesson that responded to the difficulties I saw, along with teaching the new topic, than I spent in the actual classroom teaching. Add testing and other responsibilities and it was more like 1.3:1.

Yes, this is very time consuming but teachers do what they do out of care for our students and our refusal to listen to what others think is best for the students we know. Give us the general outline of topic and help us with resources to utilize to put together our lessons for our students. This would be helpful, not a set of marching orders.

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By: Heather Noe https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67750 Tue, 30 Apr 2024 16:16:45 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67750 There can be bad and good “cobbling together” of resources from the Internet. Every teacher is required to teach standards from their state. If what they teach doesn’t support those state standards (textbook, Internet resources, etc.) then it is bad. Conscientious teachers make sure that what they are teaching meets the state standards and supplement with outside textbook sources as needed. Teachers that want to have a fun classroom and are not focused on teaching their state’s standards will supplement or supplant with Internet resources that do not support their state’s standards and their students will suffer for it. If a parent or admin has concerns about the validity of these Internet resources, ask the teacher to show how they support the state standards and the level of rigor required to succeed on their state assessments.

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By: Stacie D https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67709 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 23:52:50 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67709 I am a middle school special education teacher. I frequently watch our general education math teacher “cobble” together materials for class. Usually they are reference pages or anchor charts to visually reinforce concepts. Often they are materials meant for students to complete in a note taking activity. The textbooks we have as a district do not encourage taking notes in any format. They only have fill in the blank areas for students to fill in numbers/answers. Occasionally they have space for students to justify an answer. This isn’t enough. Students need to reference material that they have interacted with.

I am attaining my master of arts in secondary mathematics. I completed a high school lesson on statistics today for my student teaching. The textbook did a TERRIBLE job of explaining what a standard deviation was. There were no visuals representing the data in the given examples. The whole lesson felt like word vomit. I started supplementing with normal distributions I drew on the whiteboard to illustrate the differences when comparing data. I cannot overstate the lack of visuals in the textbook. For exceptional learners (students with disabilities) visuals are essential in math. Concepts need to be accessible to everyone. My bet would be that many of those teachers have to supplement with materials to differentiate as well.
It doesn’t matter if it has McGraw Hill stamped on every page. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. The problem with education is that teachers aren’t expected to be critical thinkers anymore. In the same vein, we are not teaching students to be critical thinkers either. Our district is lead by wonderful admin but none of them have ever taught mathematics. None of them have ever taught any STEM subjects, in fact. They are in charge of curriculum. That tells you a lot about the state of public education. Very top heavy and beauracratic with very little common sense or practical application. Our local ISD is the same. The consultants have 3-5 years of classroom experience and now they’re “experts” being fed every line from curriculum companies.

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By: April Stipe https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67706 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 20:47:48 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67706 Our district’s curriculum for Algebra, Geometry, and Algebra II is the free one from OpenUp/MVP. It’s complete garbage. It doesn’t actually teach students anything, so if teachers do not use outside resources, there are no resources to actually learn from. My son did the first year of this sequence via an online program that provided structured lessons. He excelled with that program but was placed in a classroom with a first year teacher for the second year when he returned to in-person schooling. The class spent all day struggling to come up with explanations (on their own) for complex topics and they never had time to go over homework. Had his teacher had experience, I predict he would have been given outside resources and would have done okay with it. In fact, when this teacher did use some of the resources another teacher in the school created, my son easily understood the concepts. When she went back to the district curriculum only, he was lost. We ended up pulling him from the class and I teach him at home via the same online program he used last year. In study halls, he’s constantly needing to explain things to his old classmates. They’re not learning.

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By: Enzro Greenidge https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67697 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 18:36:05 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67697 I am not a math teacher. I have been teaching three of my daughters math since elementary school. They have all done well and I would like to agree with the teachers here. The curriculum in my schools do not follow a progression that allows mastery. I am constantly surprised by what was not cover in class then proceed to teacher it. I applaud our good teachers.

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By: Sandi Kay Dobson https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67693 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 15:19:50 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67693 As a veteran of 33 years teaching math students from middle school to college, I too disagree with this article. The are many reasons why teachers will seek out materials to bolster or replace what is provided.
First, the curriculum presented by textbooks or written by state curriculum specialists does not follow the logical progression of mathematics. Instead it is a hodge-podge of concepts that will be tested. Concepts that are not tested are seldom included in the curriculum even if they are required for the tested concept.
I have also found that state curricum time frames allow few, if any, opportunities or textbook resources for revisiting basic skills. All students, including advanced students, need to have mastery of certain skills before a new topic is introduced.
Last, state math curricula does not allow for in depth teaching of even the most difficult concepts. The curriculum is compressed so that concepts are covered by state testing in early Spring.
One common example in an Algebra curriculum would be the concept of factoring. A review of the vocabulary and the process of factoring numbers is needed prior to the teaching of factoring polynomials. The length of the review would depend upon the level and skill of the students in the class. Then prior to factoring higher degree polynomials a review or lesson in long division is a prerequisite. Yet there is no time built in and scant material to allow for this necessity.
A survey focusing on teachers of a small, but admittedly growing, population gives a skewed perspective and often inaccurate answers to the posed question. A better study would ask veteran math teachers why they spend or spent so much time rewriting the curriculum and curating materials for their subjects.

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By: Don Highlander https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67688 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 14:22:40 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67688 I could not disagree with this conclusion more. I have been teaching high school math for over thirty years and have not used a textbook or provided materials in over a decade. That does not mean, as the author implied, that I am going rogue. I follow the district created curriculum but I do it with my own lessons and problem sets I create. I have been doing this long enough to know what trouble areas I will need to preaddress and those my students are likely to have already mastered.

In the current digital age where most of us are using some sort of learning management system I feel no need to use a middleman for my content. I can create lessons targeted to the needs of my students in a voice that they can understand. By creating my own problem sets I make it slightly harder to cheat. It also allows me the ability to create problem sets large enough for my students to have multiple attempts without seeing the same problems over and over.

This article feels like it was written by either a textbook publisher/writer or an expert who makes their living teaching others how teach. Neither of these really want to encourage teachers to act independently because it hurts their bottom line. Please remember that classroom teachers are professionals that often have decades of experience they have used to hone their skills. Textbooks and supplemental materials definitely have a place in the classroom but that does not mean we need to demonize those who have chosen to move on from them.

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By: DuWayne Krause https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-many-high-school-math-teachers-cobble-together-their-own-instructional-materials-from-the-internet-and-elsewhere-a-survey-finds/comment-page-1/#comment-67683 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 10:28:52 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=100387#comment-67683 I totally disagree with this article. It states that math teachers are not using the curriculum that they should be using. It also says that teacher made materials may sacrifice the thoughtful sequencing of topics planned by curriculum designers. For the last 15 years, I have been using my own written curriculum, with great success. 15 years ago my district was looking at buying new textbooks. I looked at textbook after textbook. The one thing they all had in common was a totally bizarre sequencing of chapters. They all followed a progression, for a couple of chapters, and then bizarrely skipped to something completely unrelated. After that chapter, they skipped to something else, not related to either of the first two covered topics. Not one single textbook displayed progression and continuity. For all my classes, my curriculum starts at a certain point and slows progresses logically. Each skill is built on the mastery of the skill learned before. This has resulted in tremendous mastery of the material. If I had used textbooks my students would have ended up with low skills and little understanding.

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