Comments on: PROOF POINTS: What research tells us about gifted education https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/ Covering Innovation & Inequality in Education Sat, 30 Apr 2022 07:35:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: JW Gingery https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/comment-page-1/#comment-39095 Sat, 30 Apr 2022 07:35:03 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=82715#comment-39095 Thanks for publishing this information, but I found the headline misleading, in that little research is actually included and that research that is included is incomplete. More importantly, in my opinion, the author doesn’t answer the questions that were set out in the introduction. Answering those questions would have, once again, in my opinion, made a much more informative read.

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By: Bridgette https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/comment-page-1/#comment-29793 Tue, 16 Nov 2021 15:37:55 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=82715#comment-29793 Thank you, Sandra Kay. I like the concept of gifted students being “producers of ideas” rather than “consumers of ideas”. We really need to start encouraging this type of thinking in all of our students, because we really never truly know who the next “Bill Gates” will be. I’ve met some of the most talented and intellectually stimulating minds behind the walls of a jail. I think this is a testament to how schools have failed in society. The gifted mind need an outlet to flourish, and if they can’t find it in some way to be good for society they will be forced to use that energy to the detriment of society.

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By: Sandra Kay https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/comment-page-1/#comment-29246 Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:07:35 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=82715#comment-29246 Dear Editorial Team,
Thank you Jill Barshay for bringing the topic of gifted education to light and highlighting some of the criticisms of current identification as well as programming in gifted education. I would like to ask a few questions of the critics: 1) If school boards refuse subject area acceleration as an option for those in need (until high school) and will only define gifted education as enrichment activities, why would they use academic growth as a criteria for judging a program that is limited/required to provide only depth?
2) Might these enrichment programs provide growth or keep alive something other than academic knowledge, something like curiosity and wonder?
3) Might the lessons in creative and inventive thinking make a difference years later when they go out into the world?

When I asked myself those questions after 20 years of developing and implementing an enrichment program for ‘producers of ideas’ while they remained most of the time in classrooms where they learned to be ‘consumers of ideas’*, we sent out an alumni survey that was designed to measure their perceptions based on the program goals we had set forth. With an excellent response, a statistically significant finding stated early exposure to creative thinking was the most influential and pivotal contribution to their entire education.
True stories that support the statistics:
One young man straight out of college was hired in a large tech company and within the first 6 months obtained his first patent. His proud mother was excited to share the news with the extended family at Thanksgiving, but he would not let her because he said he did no more than exactly what he had done in 4th grade -so that was nothing to brag about! She came into school the next day to tell me.

Another event – Young lady graduated from college with a business degree, was hired as an assistant to the CEO of a company who set up a meeting with all his regional directors and she was there taking notes. The CEO asked everyone to go around the table and describe the company as a particular make of a car. Everyone picked a car stating accolades in common. When my former student was asked, surprised to be included, she said from what she has learned thus far, she saw the company not as a car but as a garage for all of the expensive cars mentioned. Her promotion was quite significant, if memory serves me right it was VP of the company. Again, a proud dad/colleague came to tell me of this amazing application of the concrete realization of our program’s purpose.

There some good resources that provide deep thought on the subject – Abe Tannebaum’s 1983 book “Gifted Children” where the concept of educating ‘consumers’ and (for those with interest and capability) ‘producers’ of ideas is just one of many contributions to the research by a highly respected. The book on programming I find to be the most comprehensive includes the work of many scholars “Best practices in gifted education” edited by Bruce Shore and colleagues. Joyce Van Tassel’s book on curriculum are favorites for helping teachers modify regular curriculum content. I wrote “On Human Potential: nurturing talents, cultivating expertise” to offer a means of moving past the ‘have and have not’ conversation that has been so divisive as well as help teachers recognize and become better instructional strategists for gifted education.

With all the talk of problems with gifted education that has been based on myths, misinformation and misdirection, why haven’t the critics looked at some of the success stories out there? Seeing what works might help others know what might be wrong with theirs. Let’s move forward so all children’s needs are addressed.

Most Sincerely,

Sandra Kay, EdD

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By: Jack A Naglieri, Ph.D. https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/comment-page-1/#comment-29117 Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:33:11 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=82715#comment-29117 I’ll tell you a secret about the most widely used intelligence tests for identifying gifted students – they measure what a student knows rather than how well a student can think. For example, they demand knowledge of words, that is not intelligence, it is achievement. The effect is that students of color who have not had high quality educational experiences are at disadvantage and get lower scores and therefore do not score high enough to be selected. It is that simple. To find ALL gifted students the intelligence tests must measure thinking not knowing. This can be achieved using tests that have been explicitly designed to measure thinking in a way that is not confounded by knowing.

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By: Susan Toth https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/comment-page-1/#comment-29114 Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:59:13 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=82715#comment-29114 Our daughter was selected for the G and T program in her first week in school. She participated through middle school, then opted out. She did not think the program did anything for her. We, her parents, were deceived by the implication that such a program would provide a more substantial education. It did not.

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By: Sondra Brown https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/comment-page-1/#comment-29099 Wed, 20 Oct 2021 00:08:01 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=82715#comment-29099 Students attending Head Start programs do well but lose steam in grades 1-3 when homework is given (overall demographics). Gifted students in heterogeneous classrooms become bored readily 7& are unable t get stimulation in afterschool activities, a great recipe for gangs & criminal activity. W gifted will succeed despite it all, but the USA will lose.

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By: Judi Bikel https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/comment-page-1/#comment-29097 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 21:55:07 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=82715#comment-29097 Yet again, Hechinger Report slams gifted education without interviewing the families of children who need services, without reaching out to the many organizations who provide social and educational services, and asking about the unique needs of these students. The focus is always on the most restrictive and biased programs and strong programs that have excellent access are not mentioned.

LAUSD is the second largest district in the nation. It tests every second grade student. It tests at parent and teacher request. Students can also access services by high achievement on state tests and to the arts via portfolio. It provides programs for 2E children. It provides programs for profoundly gifted students. Students can access services at their home school or attend specialized magnet programs. Students new to the district are offered testing. There are specialized magnets in everything from math, science, and humanities to performing arts and the zoo open to all students. There are three accessible math pathways.

Please start writing stories with deep research instead of reflexive attacks.

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By: Andrea Stewart https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-what-research-tells-us-about-gifted-education/comment-page-1/#comment-29084 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:17:14 +0000 https://hechingerreport.org/?p=82715#comment-29084 Dear Editor,

Your story, Proof Points: What Research Tells Us about Gifted Education, on the equality and effectiveness of Gifted Education was interesting, but I feel it missed an important point. I have been teaching gifted education classes as well as school-wide enrichment in Oklahoma for nearly 30 years. In my experience, the most effective side of gifted education is to give bright students, no matter their background, an opportunity to use the skills they possess in the school setting. Why is this so important? Because I have see scores of gifted students drop out of school because of lack of motivation, and the idea that they can “do something” more effectively if they strike out on their own like Bill Gates and change the world. MOST of these students, however, are destined to seek out other activities to fill their racing minds. This is where we find the computer hackers, drug dealers and other “leaders” who take their gifts and skills in an extremely negative direction. Motivating gifted kids to see the importance of education, and more importantly the application of education, keeps them in school and on track. This has to start young and it has to include critical thinking, problem solving, teamwork, innovation, entrepreneurship, and all of the other skills that will make school lessons applicable and interesting. IF gifted students learn what they can do with the knowledge they are acquiring in the regular classroom, they will always want more.

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